http://forum.rickross.com/list.php?4 EN Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:45:12 +0100 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:45:12 +0100 Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" Phorum 5.1.25 60 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,1202,78871#msg-78871 The Real Deal Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,1202,78871#msg-78871 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:45:12 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78853#msg-78853 Hope
What you describe above definitely fits the catbox. How closely does that follow EST/Landmark?

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Very closely. After I thought about it and wrote it out, it is difficult to separate est/EL from Dr. I approach to running the box.

It does seem very odd that someone would put est on their bio. Graduates have the option of attending seminars at a reduced cost, so it could be something she is still involved with. I wondered a while back if that was why she picked on a member (she changed her name to Dingbat) whose abusive ex was deeply involved in Landmark.

You made a good point about the two male posters. Someone on another forum did find via the Wayback Machine the different times one was banned for his preachy way of posting. He was allowed to come back under different names. The second male poster recently called out "Coach" for breaking the rules by coming back under a different name to post to the Rebuilding the Catbox thread. As I found with Landmark, they definitely have double standards.]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78853#msg-78853 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:17:23 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78843#msg-78843 WM
Both have been asked numerous times why they have come to participate in a board dedicated to being abused when they in fact hadn't been abused and their answers always seemed to be evasive, in my view anyway.]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78843#msg-78843 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:33:31 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78842#msg-78842 WM
What you describe above definitely fits the catbox. How closely does that follow EST/Landmark?

Also.. Doctor Irene doesn't claim that she is currently part of Landmark. I know many people who were in EST, though, and none of those people would've listed it as a positive in a profile. The fact that she did cite it means that she believes it is an important part of her experience.]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78842#msg-78842 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:18:05 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,36040,78816#msg-78816 Steve989 Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,36040,78816#msg-78816 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:13:04 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,24037,78815#msg-78815 Steve989

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI9YLD5qsDg&feature=related]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,24037,78815#msg-78815 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:11:10 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,77969,78760#msg-78760 dutch
I am truly amazed that Landmark has left Amsterdam. To be honest, I didn't believe it at first. Those folks were 'hard sell' to the core. To have them fail, pack up shop, and scurry off to London is good news indeed. We don't need that virus around here any damn more!

There is no doubt in my mind that the Amsterdam center was a cult. Ria Baufhofer was the leader and she had a small army of true believers around her. They were a fierce bunch I can tell you that. Landmark Education as a whole might not qualify as a real cult (at least not legally) but Amsterdam certainly did. What Ria said, people did. Period. I would really love to hear the sequence of events that led to the closing of ''Ria's' center. Does anybody have any inside info?

thanks again posters!

Dutch]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,77969,78760#msg-78760 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:53:17 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,78278,78754#msg-78754 ExLand
It's simply more of the same LGAT philosophical psycho-babble, just with a different name... it's sickening!]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,78278,78754#msg-78754 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:38:43 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,77760,78750#msg-78750 Luci
Ann Bradney of the Radical Aliveness Core Energetics Institute of Southern California

www.annbradney.com.

I think...after having been involved for 3 years...that it is at the worst Cultish and at best Snake Oil or a bucket with lots of holes.

Several things bothered me and went up as red flags as I was in the intensive 'Training" program.

First the Therapist/Teacher/Director does not appear to have any- what I would at this point call- legitimate credentials. Her only stated credential is CCEP=Certified Core Energetic Practitioner. She does not appear to have any credential in psychology or social work. In one session a man said that he went to see a psychiatrist that diagnosed him with bipolor. He said he didn't agree with the diagnosis and wanted another opinion. He asked the Therapist/Teacher/Director if she knew of any medical doctors/psychiatrists that he could consult with. She said that she did not know of any doctors/psychiatrists. That concerned me because if you are having these intensive therapy GROUPS where you are attempting to get people to break down their defenses and loose control...well what if someone goes too far and has a breakdown or snaps or gets psychologically disoriented and needs treatment. That safety net is not there. There are no back ups.

Another thing about the Therapist/Teacher/Director is the issue of dual relationships. If you were in the Training Program you were required to have 20 therapy sessions with a Core therapist. Most of the people in the training had her as their individual therapist. One person in the training, who is also a private client of the Teacher/Therapist/Director, who is also in the entertainment bussiness decided that he wanted to make meaninful films with his life. He decided that the most meaningful film he could make would be about his Therapist/Teacher and the Core Energetics GROUP experience. So now there is a bussiness relationship between the Therapist/Teacher/Star of the film and the Client/student/producer of the film. Other people from the training are also involved in the film. I thought that dynamic really made a truly theraputic enviornment difficult at best.

There were never adequete discussions about the validity of the theories and ideas that make up core energetics.
I came to have real questions about the validity of the theories, most of which came from Willem Reich and his work on Character Structures. The rest of the basis for Core comes from the channelled teachings of The Pathwork. You can't really question channelled teachings- you almost have to either believe them or not.

The methodologies really seem to lead no where. I'd say just for me they lead no where- but I saw with my own two eyes that people involved 3-10 years were getting nowhere- comming back again and again with- if not with the same issues than with different issues. Infact what really bothered me is that soon outside problems and concerns in people's life's took a backseat to issues that were self generated within the GROUP.

The GROUPS involved lots of catharsis. I'd say the primary goal is to get people into their feelings, their Aliveness. To get people to loose control. Conflict was encouraged, like in 1960's encounter groups. There was lots of heavy breathing, breathwork exercises that lead to more catharsis and acting out. There was lots of dance and movement and some touching and massage and sensuality exercises. There was alot of regression into infantile or childlike states where the therapist & GROUPwould then coddle you making you feel like you were getting now what you didn't get as a helpless child. There were activities that were borrowed from other Cult like or questionable groups: dynamic meditation from Rajneesh/Osho, Kundalini Yoga and David Deida sexual/relational type exercises. Heck...one night we even played Core Energetics Charades.

People started to use jargon and our thinking got structured to fit the beliefs of the teachings.

A man and a woman in the GROUP, both married to people outside the group, began having an affair. A few people, and I was one of them, expressed concern about this affair given the fact that we are in a therapy GROUP/Training. What about boundaries and honesty. We were then made to be the bad ones for "judging."

It all came to a screaching halt for me when the accumulation of these red flags caused me to begin to question the GROUP and the Teacher/Therapist/Director. When I expressed that I felt unhappy with the GROUP I was told it was me, not the GROUP, and that I needed to pay 125 dollars fro 45 minute phone sessions with the Therapist/Teacher/Director to deal with my issues. I never got a chance to state the concerns I had because at that point I felt I had given enough of my cash away and I was not going to be told it was my problem when clearly something was very rotten in Denmark or Santa Monica.

Leaving was tuff and very painful. I got the full on Love Bomb while involved and then the full on Crash Dump when I left. While I was involved the Teacher/Therapist/Director told me over and over and over again how amazing and wonderful and spectacular I was. That I was a Leader. That I was going to be a great therapist one day. That I could lead groups. That she could not imagine the training with out me. When I decided to leave, she said I was just too slow for the group. They were an advanced group moving quickly through deep stuff and perhaps I just wasn't up to speed. The other GROUP members cut me off. I emailed one woman that I thought I had genuinely formed a bond with to tell her that I would miss her. Nothing. She never replied.

I left the GROUP in June and I am still having nightmares. It sucks that I need therapy to deal with my therapy.

There is more so much more- but I think I've said enough.

I have capitolized GROUP for two reasons 1) the film/reality tv show is titled GROUP and 2) The GROUP became this big thing.]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,77760,78750#msg-78750 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:08:22 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,78737,78739#msg-78739 rrmoderator
This explains some basics and warning signs regarding mass marathon training, which would be like Asiaworks and other large group awareness training (LGATs).

Also see http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing8.html

This explains commonly used coercive persuasion techniques frequently employed by many LGATs.]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,78737,78739#msg-78739 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:34:32 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,78737,78737#msg-78737 wingbliss
Thanks for having this forum.
Can you advice me if I can trust this taiwanese group:
http://www.pop-workshop.com.tw/index_main.php

The moment I heard from a friend who have been through it bring up graduation, I felt uncomfortable

Also NLP
www.mindtransformations.com

I became even more confused this days, how do we know if a group is really sincere in helping us realise our potential?
In referece to groups with negative feedback like Asiaworks, etc.

Best regards
Colin Kee]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,78737,78737#msg-78737 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:38:26 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78732#msg-78732 Hope
The Leader:

Charismatic leader who lays down the rules and uses public humiliation to keep the group in order. There is "no talking" within the group in order to keep the message enforced. Monitors in the back of the room spot and report any whispering going on among participants who are called to task. Or, your private messages are read and you are warned, banned or humiliated, or your posts might be deleted or edited by the leader.

Lovebombing - Praising participants for being different and special, for participating, which gives a false sense of security.

Adorable kittens and language *giggle*, puts participants at ease.

Borrows spiritual concepts like Zen and mindfulness and twists them to manipulate people. These leaders can look great on paper or a screen but be manipulative, horrible people in person, who never practice what they preach.

The Message:

Personal responsibility. No matter what the situation or experience, you are responsible. This can provide a temporary feeling of empowerment, ie. you can control how you feel. Little insight is gained, however, but there can also be a lot of dissociation, which can feel good for a while, too. Then a crash or depression follows, which, again, is because you weren't following the program. Emotional support of the person suffering is not allowed, as their suffering is because they didn't take responsibility.

Rackets are ways of behaving that make you look good or make others wrong. Even illness is considered a racket, because it keeps you from taking responsibility for your own life. Likewise, codependency is a meme that keeps you from living a happy life, and that puts the blame on others. There are no exceptions to the codependency or racket messages.

There is nothing good nor bad, just what you make it. An abuser is not bad; that is just a label you gave that person.

Punishment:

Questioning the leader is not allowed. Expulsion from the program or banning from the board is typical, with those banished set up as examples to the others, who quickly toe the line.]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78732#msg-78732 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:20:03 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,12552,78709#msg-78709 The Anticult MKP uses the native american and other traditions as a FIG-LEAF to hide behind.
When in fact, MKP runs the powerful and dangerous LGAT wilderness seminar techniques, and conceals them behind their faux sweat-lodges, and other perversions of sacred traditions. MKP uses these sacred traditions as a way to misdirect people from the real techniques being used, as explained here.
Inattentional blindness http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,77450,78707#msg-78707

____________________

Lakota Nation files lawsuit against parties in sweat lodge incident
http://www.sedona.biz/lakota-tribe-files-lawsuit-sweat-lodge-incident-sedona111209a.php

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http://www.anorak.co.uk/230619/media/james-arthur-ray-lakota-nation-sues-and-dead-womans-friends-attack.html
....
This time it’s the Lakota Indian nation of North and South Dakota that’s piling on.

The tribe has filed suit against the U.S. government, the State of Arizona, James Ray and the Angel Valley Retreat where Ray’s fatal sweat lodge ceremony was held on October 8th.

According to the lawsuit, the Lakota Nation considers its sweat lodge ceremony, the Oinikaga, one of the seven sacred rites of the Lakota.

The suit refers to the Treaty of Fort Laramie between the United States and the Lakota Nation from 1868, which says “if bad men among the whites or other people subject to the authority of the United States shall commit any wrong upon the person or the property of the Indians, the United States will (…) proceed at once to cause the offender to be arrested and punished according to the laws of the United States, and also reimburse the injured person for the loss sustained.”

The Lakota say Ray and the Angel Valley Retreat Center “violated the peace between the United States and the Lakota Nation.”

The lawsuit also claims Ray and the retreat center committed fraud by impersonating Indians and must be held responsible for causing the deaths of the victims and injuries of the survivors, and for the destruction of evidence through the dismantling of the sweat lodge.
_________________________QUOTE______________________]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,12552,78709#msg-78709 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:49:30 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78698#msg-78698 Sparky Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78698#msg-78698 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:29:14 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,12552,78696#msg-78696 clearere Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,12552,78696#msg-78696 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:53:37 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78670#msg-78670 moongoddess yikes, nothing would post..........then wham all 4 at once........
MG]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78670#msg-78670 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:40:48 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,71652,78668#msg-78668 pinkunicorn Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,71652,78668#msg-78668 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:31:33 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78661#msg-78661 moongoddess
ohh i am very familiar with LE...............
a family member of mine is a big byron katie fan...........
so wrapped up in her garbage that just days after fleeing my extremely abusive he was preaching forgiveness at me.........

MG]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78661#msg-78661 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:49:40 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,49123,78659#msg-78659 buffman
Here's another forum thread about him:
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,57430,57472#msg-57472]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,49123,78659#msg-78659 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:32:10 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,71652,78655#msg-78655 bigskeptic Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,71652,78655#msg-78655 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:14:33 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78654#msg-78654 moongoddess i have read a lot on EST and LANDMARK........one of my family members is heavily into BYRON KATIE.......
so heavily, that mere days after i fled from my abuser he was preaching to me about forgiveness........YIKES.......
my head was still spinning from waking up to the abuse and packing and running in a hailstorm.........

doc is sick, very sick........
and those poor vulnerable souls on her site see her as some type of GURU.........but her latest bizarre posts are showing her narcissistic side.........hopefully people will realize that she has fallen off of her pedestal and is offering them 'grape kool-aid' as a solution to their problems.........

MG]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78654#msg-78654 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:40:55 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78651#msg-78651 moongoddess ohh yes i am well aware of Landmark..........
i have been reading everything i can about it here.......i have a family member who is very caught up in BYRON KATIE........so much so that i was told to forgive my abuser and move on when i had only fled just days before.......

doc is frightening........the vulnerable people on her forum see her as some sort of guru and have her up on a pedestal....she receives a lot of narcissistic supply from their adoration.........
and it is truly sad that people are so spell bound they don't see her double speak and crazymaking for what it is......
the abusive controlling behaviours of a narcissist......

*hugs*
MG]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78651#msg-78651 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:59:58 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78649#msg-78649 moongoddess i so agree..........
i have been reading on this forum for quite some time, i have always been a fan of rick ross and his work.......
doc is a sick woman

thanks for your support hope!
MG]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78649#msg-78649 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:08:39 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78648#msg-78648 Hope
People who get involved with LE tend to NEED therapy. There are no victims in these programs, just perception. If you suffered abuse it is because you gave the abuse a meaning - that it was bad. There is no good or bad, just the meaning you give things. Everything is meaningless is there big revelation at the end of the Forum, and it's meaningless that it's meaningless.


There is a lot of eye-opening stuff on this forum about est/Landmark and how they do what they do with the sole purpose of making money. There are also a few ex-Landmark employees who have posted.]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78648#msg-78648 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:00:19 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78647#msg-78647 moongoddess
hi hope......
so is it the EST? that interests you? or ACT?......
ACT is a fairly widely used form of CBT, one that i feel works quite well for ABUSERS, not really necessarily for the victim though......
i just read through a long 10 pages of threads from the post that started the 2008 implosion.........crazymaking.......

MG]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78647#msg-78647 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:29:53 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78644#msg-78644 Hope
Association for Contextual Behavioral Science
Irene Matiatos
Psychologist
Private practice
Monroe, New York
United States

ACT Therapist

Site member for: 3 years 37 weeks.
Contact Information

* Email Irene
* Website

Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT)

* ACT Background and Training

A cognitive behaviorist who has studied ACT for a couple of years and actively practices the model.

* ACT Experience

Using ACT about two years in private practice.

* Specialties

Lots of work in abuse, PTSD, codependency, as well as general psychological issues such as stress, anxiety, depression.

* Types of Clients

Adults, Couples, and Families

* Licensure/Certification

NY licensure

* Additional Information

A 70s est grad trained in psychodynamic models, grounded in learning theory and CBT and shaped by Eastern philosophy. ACT is simply the natural progression in the practice of psychology, evidence-based yet mindful of the primacy of emotions and Human spirituality.]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,61930,78644#msg-78644 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:05:55 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,9147,78633#msg-78633 corboy to troll disruption.

Its interesting that you mentioned your employer paid for this.


http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,12906

Participant reports

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,67778,77605#msg-77605

A very big concern is that stuff offered by unlicensed people is infiltrating the ranks of professional therapists, who are supposed to protect the public from untested modalities that are the product of charisma and marketing technique.


Get and read this article by Beyerstein on Fringe Psychotherapies

[quote]uoted Excerpts:


‘And with the growth of the “New Age” movement, the market has also been flooded by a growing cadre of therapists with little formal training but an immense investment in pop-psychology and “post modernist” psychobabble.

"In most jurisdicitions, these entrepreneurs cannot call themselves psychologists or psychiatrists because licensing statutes restrict these titles to professionals with specified credentials and training. They can however, offer their services (where local laws permit) by appropriating unreserved titles** such as counselor, psychotherapist, psychoanalyst, sex therapist, pastoral counselor, Dianetics auditor (one of several pseudonyms for Scientology), New Age guide, relationship advisor, mental therapist, etc.

**(Pop quiz: How many other 'unreserved titles' have we observed in use by persons using powerful methods without proper training, oversight or accountablity? C)


(p3) At the highest levels of the profession, the erosion of the likage between science and clinical practice was further aggravated in recent years when many research psychologists left the American Psychological Association (APA) to form the rival American Psychological Society. The defectors felt that the APA was undervaluing the scientific side of its mandate as it devoted more effort to lobbying and other professional issues primarily of concern to clinicians. Many also felt that the APA had been too timid in disciplining those of its members who engage in scientifically dubious practices. On several occasions, I have witnessed this reluctance to chastise peddlers of outlandish wares myself. My disappointments spring from fruitless attempts to get various psychological associations to rein in their members who charge clients for scientifically discredited services such as subliminal audiotapes, graphology (handwriting analysis), dubious psychological tests, bogus therapy techniques, and various so called ‘rejuvenation’ techniques for recovering supposedly repressed memories.

"I continue to be appalled to see journals of various psychological associations with advertisements for courses carrying official continuing education credits for therapists that promote this kind of pseudoscience.’

"Even if minimally-trained therapists can do some good, there remains the danger that they will divert clients from treatments that would help them more.

"More worrisome is the possibility that their limited knowledge will lead them to apply risky procedures than exacerbate existing conditions or even create serious problems of their own.

"When such malpractice occurs, these uncertified therapists have no professional associations and disciplinary boards to whom dissatisified customers can turn. It is when therapeutic fads emerge from a research vacuum and treatments lack proper outcome evaluations that these safety concerns arise. "

And..the Beyerstein article was published in a special issue of this new and much needed publication[/quote]

New Age therapists who constantly talk about themselves violate anonymity

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,12906,54560#msg-54560

Therapists Serving in Non Traditional Healing Projects

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,9147,53811#msg-53811

Therapists as Fiduciaries

(If a therapist mishandles a client using a method taught by an unlicensed human potential guru, the guru isnt the one who is left holding the bag--its the therapist)

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?8,8433,54637#msg-54637

Finally, a therapist is not supposed to burden clients with disclosure about
the therapists own misfortunes, illnesses, etc. That is what a consultancy group is
for. By contrast human potential leaders tend to get people enthralled by the leaders
own personal narrative, which distracts from the clients own personal exploration

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,12906,54239#msg-54239

[quote]Note: It is considered a potential pitfall in psychotherapy for a counselor to disclose information about illness or personal hardship to clients, precisely because this would hold open the danger of triggering clients to parent the therapist. This would cause the clients to re-enact the roles that have kept them trapped and which they are trying, through therapy to get free from--not further entrenched. [/quote]





http://selfhelpfraud.com/uploads/3__Fringe_Psychotherapy.pdf]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,9147,78633#msg-78633 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:36:11 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,12552,78630#msg-78630 Sparky
As we both (sadly) know, as long as money is flowing ($$$) from insecure men (and modern society has made a TON of them) then this abomination will continue.

To all men out there thinking of the MKP...

"You are all MEN. Pay attention. You do NOT NEED to "play injun" (apologies to native americas) to be a man...YOU ARE ALREADY!"

Thank you

Love

Sparky]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,12552,78630#msg-78630 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:37:36 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,71652,78628#msg-78628 pinkunicorn
It also disturbs me greatly that the leaders of the group claim to be ethical, but introduce nothing new and use the same basic methodologies with possible minor variances of those who scammed before them, while at the same time use beautiful principles of already existing ways of life to manipulate others for their time and money, taking credit for their newly perceived, but often times rationally unsound subjective happiness. In my mind, this is absolute hypocrisy.]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,71652,78628#msg-78628 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:20:56 +0100 http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,12552,78625#msg-78625 midwest.momma
I haven't been here for awhile, and I hoped, hoped, that this cult had been put out of business. I am sad to see that it is still preying on the vulnerable.]]> Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential" http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,12552,78625#msg-78625 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:20:07 +0100